The following video presentation touches on a number of facts about the origins of the Trinity and how the doctrine is not related to inspired scripture. Below that is a short commentary on Trinitarian origins and shortcomings as compared to inspired scripture.
Who is a judge of the person who sincerely devotes him or herself to follow Christ? Let God judge the man or woman who, hearing and reading the ten commandments, for example, sincerely desires to obey those commandments. One may look at the sincere follower of Christ and conclude the person is not obeying those commandments as they should, but let God be the judge.
But, what of the Trinity? Can a person read his or her Bible and find the command to believe in God as a Trinity? Is a Trinity even discussed in the Bible? Exhaust yourself with study into the matter, and you will come up empty. Instead, you will have to study into religious, philosophical, and political human history to discover the introduction, acceptance, and imposition of the Trinity doctrine upon what is called Christianity, today. Yet, mainstream Christianity condemns the man or woman who would deny the Trinity. It is an extra-biblical doctrine, introduced two centuries after the decease of all the Apostles, used specifically and purposefully to judge you as a "true" Christian. It would not matter, when all was said and done, what other doctrines you accepted, even all other doctrines of the mainstream church. It would not matter, when all was said and done, what tradition you accepted, even all traditions of the mainstream church. If you do not accept the doctrine of the Trinity, you are considered a heretic worthy of condemnation. Historically, people paid with their lives for refusing to accept the doctrine, whether they called themselves Christian or not. And, presently, in the collective mind of the church, you are condemned. They have consigned you to eternal damnation for rejecting this man-made doctrine.
We read in Acts...
Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.(emphasis added)
Note in verse 12, it is the name of Jesus, and only the name of Jesus of Nazareth, by which we MUST be saved; not the Trinity. You may say, "Well, of course!" Yet, to reject the Trinity doctrine in the eyes of mainstream Christianity is to be condemned to eternal damnation.
In truth, you will find that the main identifier of FALSE Christianity is not found in whether a person completely understands, though sincerely trying, all of scripture (After all, are we not GROWING in grace and knowledge?), but, instead, in adoption of doctrine that does not originate in the Bible, and, with the acceptance of that doctrine, the rejection and condemnation of all who will not embrace it.
Revealed in scripture is a church that calls itself Christian but behaves the harlot, instead of the chaste virgin. This church, in prophecy, even takes the lives of true believers, those who follow God in both spirit and truth (John 4:23-24), the truth being the word of God (John 17:17; Colossians 1:5; 1 Thessalonians 2:13).
Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Let us do our best to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord, Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:18), worshipping the Father and Jesus Christ in spirit and truth (John 4:23-24). It is by their Holy Spirit we are given the ability to accomplish such a task.
A Powerful Revelation!
When you begin to appreciate the nature and revealed composition of the Godhead as is expressed by the Bible, that understanding leads to a whole new view of God's word as it pertains to His proposed relationship with you. God is adding to the Family of God just as the word of God emphasizes over and over again. God is not a closed "system", as the Trinity concludes, but a dynamic family known to the readers of the Bible as Father and Son, creative in such a miraculous way as to provide sonship to those who love the way and will of God. This is all done by that shared Holy Spirit revealed in the Bible, able even to be imparted as earnest to fleshly man (2 Cor. 5:5; Eph. 1:1214), those who would lay down their lives for God and God's good news for all mankind; any who will believe and follow Jesus the Christ.
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Pastor Wilson, The way Trinitarians define their terms leave only one conclusion possible -there are three Gods. Of course we know that the Holy Spirit is not a person , so there are two Gods - if one goes according to Trinitarians definitions. What is a 'person'? A person is a being who is autonomously thinking and acting. A person has a unique identity which no other entiry shares. If you have X persons you have X Gods.!!! Trinitarians cannot define what they mean by the word 'person' or ... Read More
Pastor Wilson, The way Trinitarians define their terms leave only one conclusion possible -there are three Gods. Of course we know that the Holy Spirit is not a person , so there are two Gods - if one goes according to Trinitarians definitions. What is a 'person'? A person is a being who is autonomously thinking and acting. A person has a unique identity which no other entiry shares. If you have X persons you have X Gods.!!! Trinitarians cannot define what they mean by the word 'person' or 'divine substance'. They have only succeeded in confusing themselves. WE simple souls say that God is the Father and Christ is His Son. Blessings John
Pastor Wilson You asked us to explain Colossians 2 v 9 ' for in Him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily"
You only have to go to the following verse to get the answer- v10 ' and you share this fullness with Him\"
See also Ephesians 3 v 19 .
Pastor, there are NO Trinity 'proof verses'
Blessings John
Admin Just to add to your comment- Imagine you attended a 'Billy Graham' crusade last night and accepted the alter call. You would have been told that you are now saved. You are later informed about the orthodox view of the Trinity and you (quite rightly) find it incomprehensible. You are then told that you are to be denied fellowship and are an heretic! Something badly wrong here!! Blessings John
Gantoleba Because a person or thing is worshipped does not make that person or thing God.
The Greek word for worship is 'proskyneo' (see Strongs ref. G 4352). It means to prostrate oneself or 'lean towards' and is used of - God gods idols heavenly beings Christ demons.
There is another Greek word 'Lateruo: (Strongs G 3000) which means 'to serve' -or render some type of professional service. It is used of YHWH 19 times and 2 times in a negative sense (serving idols etc) It is never used ... Read More
Gantoleba Because a person or thing is worshipped does not make that person or thing God.
The Greek word for worship is 'proskyneo' (see Strongs ref. G 4352). It means to prostrate oneself or 'lean towards' and is used of - God gods idols heavenly beings Christ demons.
There is another Greek word 'Lateruo: (Strongs G 3000) which means 'to serve' -or render some type of professional service. It is used of YHWH 19 times and 2 times in a negative sense (serving idols etc) It is never used in connection with Christ.
Hope this helps Blessings John
Jesus claimed divinity in Matthew 4:5-7:''Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee:and in their hands they shall bear thee up,lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.Jesus said unto him,It is written again,Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.''Satan tries to tempt Him and Jesus tells ... Read More
Jesus claimed divinity in Matthew 4:5-7:''Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee:and in their hands they shall bear thee up,lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.Jesus said unto him,It is written again,Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.''Satan tries to tempt Him and Jesus tells him ''Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.'' Jesus claimed primordial existence in John 17:5:''And now,O Father,glorify Thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.'' In John 8:58 Jesus says:''Jesus said unto them,Verily,verily,I say unto you, Before Abraham was,I am.''He claims eternal existence (I AM).
Now, I know why people reject the Trinity doctrine: you believe it is made up of three gods right? But no! You got it all wrong there. I have three questions to you, after which I explain to you the true concept of the Trinity. 1. Explain Genesis 1.26, 11.7, Isaiah 6.8. Who is the "our", "us", "we" reffered to? 2. Explain "For in Christ dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily" Colosians 2.9 3. Explain the terms, GOD above us, GOD with us, GOD in us. Then, I will tell you the truth about the ... Read More
Now, I know why people reject the Trinity doctrine: you believe it is made up of three gods right? But no! You got it all wrong there. I have three questions to you, after which I explain to you the true concept of the Trinity. 1. Explain Genesis 1.26, 11.7, Isaiah 6.8. Who is the "our", "us", "we" reffered to? 2. Explain "For in Christ dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily" Colosians 2.9 3. Explain the terms, GOD above us, GOD with us, GOD in us. Then, I will tell you the truth about the Trinity, which you do not know. GOD be with you!
Dear Pastor,
My understanding in simplest terms of the Trinity is that Trinity is one God in three distinct person, meaning God manifests Himself three different ways, but not at the same time.
This concept does not work in scripture. The best way to deal with that would be to make Trinity into three distinct persons simultaneously, but that is not the Trinity concept as I understand it.
My personal belief is that there is one God (Family), comprised of Father and Son, and what ... Read More
Dear Pastor,
My understanding in simplest terms of the Trinity is that Trinity is one God in three distinct person, meaning God manifests Himself three different ways, but not at the same time.
This concept does not work in scripture. The best way to deal with that would be to make Trinity into three distinct persons simultaneously, but that is not the Trinity concept as I understand it.
My personal belief is that there is one God (Family), comprised of Father and Son, and what makes the "God" is their Holy Spirit, just like what makes us human (family) is our human spirit. Our spirit difines how we act and think. It defines our abilities (power) and distinguishes us from the animals.
God is distinguished from man in simplest terms by God's Spirit. But as our Creator, God can impart that same Spirit to dwell in man to witness the things, ways, power of God to our own spirit. Conversion.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
It is refreshing to see that there are people out there seeking TRUTH and who are unafraid of criticism and ridicule.Who did Christ worship ?Who did Christ tell us to worship?John 20 verse 17 is so clear in its import.!!Worship and serve the God that Christ worshipped and served!Blessings John
You have done a nice job exploring the subject and contemplating upon it, but you take a radical position, which I can not welcome because of some reasons. The concept of Trinity may be well-spread in other cultures and philosophies but that does not prove that it does not exist in the Bible. Let me make an analogy, pagans worship gods, Muslims worship Allah, etc. By your logic because of the fact that they worship God, God does not exist. That would be a very radical position. There are lots ... Read More
You have done a nice job exploring the subject and contemplating upon it, but you take a radical position, which I can not welcome because of some reasons.The concept of Trinity may be well-spread in other cultures and philosophies but that does not prove that it does not exist in the Bible.Let me make an analogy, pagans worship gods, Muslims worship Allah, etc. By your logic because of the fact that they worship God, God does not exist. That would be a very radical position.There are lots of things in common between other religions and Christianity and that proves only that things are in common, nothing more.If you accept Jesus as God and Savior, you accept Trinity automatically. If you do not accept Jesus as God and Savior, you are not a Christian.Best regards,Giorgi
Giorgi:Thank you very much for your considerate comment. I would ask that you consider history in your analogy. Christianity was in full swing for generations before the Trinity doctrine was introduced and established by men. Originally, it was not part of the teaching.To accept Jesus as God and Savior, therefore, does not automatically mean accepting the Trinity, because the privilege of accepting Christ as Savior occurred long before men attempted to define God outside of scriptural precedent.
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